Episode 73: What’s really holding back the future of AI—and are we truly prepared for what comes next?
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Matt Wolfe (https://x.com/mreflow) is joined by Mustafa Suleyman (https://x.com/mustafasuleyman), legendary AI innovator, co-founder of DeepMind, former founder of Inflection AI, and now CEO of Microsoft AI, where he’s leading the massive Copilot transformation.
This episode unpacks the myths around AI’s “training wall,” whether hallucinations are actually a feature instead of a bug, the dawn of the agentic era—where AIs don’t just chat, but plan and act for you—and the shifting landscape for software builders as anyone can ship products in minutes. Mustafa also shares firsthand stories and practical advice for leveraging today’s AI—from offloading tasks to agents THIS WEEK, to why moats aren’t about headcount or credentials in the new era.
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Show Notes:
(00:00) AI Insights with Mustafa Suleyman
(03:31) Adapting AI Amid Data Challenges
(07:31) Technology's Misleading Terminology
(12:16) Tool Use Defines Human Progress
(15:49) Revolutionizing Code with AI Tools
(16:31) Competitive Innovation Boom Ahead
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Mentions:
Mustafa Suleyman: https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/
Microsoft AI: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/ai
DeepMind: https://deepmind.google/
Inflection: https://inflection.ai/
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Join Matt Wolfe and Nathan Lands, as they democratize the expertise often reserved for the boardrooms of the biggest corporations. From groundbreaking technologies to practical applications, Matt and Nathan will cover everything you need to stay informed and prepared. Whether you're seeking to adapt your company to the AI era or simply curious about the future, this podcast will equip you with the knowledge to thrive in the forthcoming wave of change.
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Want to Master AI Agents in 2025? Get the guide: 🔗 https://clickhubspot.com/a9b466
Matt Wolfe (https://x.com/mreflow) is joined by Mustafa Suleyman (https://x.com/mustafasuleyman), legendary AI innovator, co-founder of DeepMind, former founder of Inflection AI, and now CEO of Microsoft AI, where he’s leading the massive Copilot transformation.
This episode unpacks the myths around AI’s “training wall,” whether hallucinations are actually a feature instead of a bug, the dawn of the agentic era—where AIs don’t just chat, but plan and act for you—and the shifting landscape for software builders as anyone can ship products in minutes. Mustafa also shares firsthand stories and practical advice for leveraging today’s AI—from offloading tasks to agents THIS WEEK, to why moats aren’t about headcount or credentials in the new era.
Check out The Next Wave Podcast if you’re on the go and want to listen to the show: https://lnk.to/thenextwaveyt
—
Show Notes:
(00:00) AI Insights with Mustafa Suleyman
(03:31) Adapting AI Amid Data Challenges
(07:31) Technology's Misleading Terminology
(12:16) Tool Use Defines Human Progress
(15:49) Revolutionizing Code with AI Tools
(16:31) Competitive Innovation Boom Ahead
—
Mentions:
Mustafa Suleyman: https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/
Microsoft AI: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/ai
DeepMind: https://deepmind.google/
Inflection: https://inflection.ai/
Get the guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/tnw
Subscribe to The Next Wave:
🔗 https://clickhubspot.com/847e
📙 FREE Certification Courses
Digital Marketing Certification:
👉 https://clickhubspot.com/od6
Social Media Marketing Course:
👉 https://clickhubspot.com/Social-Media...
SEO Training Course:
👉 https://clickhubspot.com/SEO-Training...
Email Marketing Course:
👉 https://clickhubspot.com/Email-Market...
Find The Next Wave on your favorite podcast platform
🎙️ https://lnk.to/thenextwaveyt
Join Matt Wolfe and Nathan Lands, as they democratize the expertise often reserved for the boardrooms of the biggest corporations. From groundbreaking technologies to practical applications, Matt and Nathan will cover everything you need to stay informed and prepared. Whether you're seeking to adapt your company to the AI era or simply curious about the future, this podcast will equip you with the knowledge to thrive in the forthcoming wave of change.
More From Matt
🔗 Future Tools https://futuretools.beehiiv.com/
🔗 Blog https://www.mattwolfe.com/
🔗 YouTube / @mreflow
More From Nathan
🔗 Newsletter https://news.lore.com/
🔗 Blog https://lore.com/
The Next Wave is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Production by Darren Clarke // Editing by Ezra Bakker Trupiano
#TheNextWave #Podcast