Will artificial intelligence be a job creator or a job destroyer? Who will be most affected — and how long will the AI revolution in employment take?
Futurist Martin Ford and economist Betsey Stevenson join Kara Swisher to unpack the real-world impact of AI on jobs, wages, and our sense of meaning and purpose. They discuss whether automation will replace or reinvent work, explore how robotics are reshaping blue-collar industries, and discuss what governments can do to help workers adapt. The conversation also dives into universal basic income, digital dividends, and how AI could redefine our economy, society, and sense of purpose.
Martin Ford is the founder of a software development firm and the author of four books, including Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future, a New York Times bestseller and winner of the Financial Times/McKinsey Business Book of the Year Award.
Betsey Stevenson is a labor economist and professor of Public Policy and Economics at the University of Michigan. She served as Chief Economist at the U.S. Department of Labor and on the Council of Economic Advisors under President Obama.
00:00 AI vs. human intelligence: the big question
01:15 The pro-AI argument sees the glass half full
03:05 “Machines will displace half the workforce”
06:40 Are we headed for another industrial revolution?
09:30 White collar vs. blue collar: who’s really at risk?
13:00 The wage crash before the job crash
18:20 UBI vs. digital dividend: who pays when AI takes over?
24:00 Should government slow AI down or speed it up?
29:40 Finding meaning after work: Ikigai and identity
33:10 How college and learning must change
37:45 Final predictions: hope and fear for the next decade
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Futurist Martin Ford and economist Betsey Stevenson join Kara Swisher to unpack the real-world impact of AI on jobs, wages, and our sense of meaning and purpose. They discuss whether automation will replace or reinvent work, explore how robotics are reshaping blue-collar industries, and discuss what governments can do to help workers adapt. The conversation also dives into universal basic income, digital dividends, and how AI could redefine our economy, society, and sense of purpose.
Martin Ford is the founder of a software development firm and the author of four books, including Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future, a New York Times bestseller and winner of the Financial Times/McKinsey Business Book of the Year Award.
Betsey Stevenson is a labor economist and professor of Public Policy and Economics at the University of Michigan. She served as Chief Economist at the U.S. Department of Labor and on the Council of Economic Advisors under President Obama.
00:00 AI vs. human intelligence: the big question
01:15 The pro-AI argument sees the glass half full
03:05 “Machines will displace half the workforce”
06:40 Are we headed for another industrial revolution?
09:30 White collar vs. blue collar: who’s really at risk?
13:00 The wage crash before the job crash
18:20 UBI vs. digital dividend: who pays when AI takes over?
24:00 Should government slow AI down or speed it up?
29:40 Finding meaning after work: Ikigai and identity
33:10 How college and learning must change
37:45 Final predictions: hope and fear for the next decade
Register for Smartsheet Engage here: https://www.smartsheet.com/engage
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